1 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:08,960 Previously on The Hack... 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,320 So, Nick Davies and The Guardian 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,960 are losing the exclusive, but winning the war. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,800 Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:16,960 have been in touch with us at Panorama. 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,800 It's the hacking stuff, but there's also this story 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,960 on Jonathan Rees that they've been pushing. 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,960 We found invoices on his desk, Rees to Alex Marunchak, 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,960 at the News of the World while Andy Coulson was the editor. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,960 There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes. 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,960 Ian Edmondson. Ian Edmondson? 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:34,960 He reported directly to Coulson. 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,960 Someone I want you to meet. David Cook. Gordon Brown. 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,480 I'm interested in hearing more about what's happened to you. 15 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,960 I, er... I think I might be able to help. 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,960 GORDON: 'I, er...' GORDON CLEARS THROAT 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,960 'I hear you're a fan of walking.' DAVE: 'I am.' 18 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:07,960 Do you have a favourite spot? 19 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:09,160 Hillwalking on Arran, sir. 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,960 GORDON LAUGHS You don't need to call me "sir". 21 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:14,960 Policeman's habit. 22 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,960 Well, I like Arran, particularly, and... 23 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:21,960 and this might point to a certain masochistic quality on my part, 24 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:23,000 particularly in the winter time. 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,960 Well, it's the colours - Arran in the winter. 26 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:29,960 Well, we shall have to go. You can show me the route. 27 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,960 Oh, you're making me quite homesick. 28 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:35,960 Surely, you can get up there more often now... 29 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:38,960 Now that I don't have a job? No, I didnae mean... 30 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:39,960 GORDON LAUGHS 31 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:41,640 I should be able to, shouldn't I? 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,960 And yet I keep being dragged back to London. 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Glen has told me something about what happened to you - 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,960 your story. 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,960 OK. 36 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:58,960 The intrusion, the surveillance, the meeting with Rebekah Brooks. 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,960 It sounds a merry mess. 38 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,800 Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes I shouldn't have. 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,960 Well... Well, we all do. 40 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:08,960 We all do. 41 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:12,640 My father was a minister, 42 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:15,800 as I think you know, in the Church of Scotland. 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,960 He would... 44 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,000 He would hear everyone's stories. 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,960 It's a great failing on my part that I don't have the time 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,800 nor the patience that he does, so I think it's my responsibility 47 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,320 to tell you why your cruel and unusual story mattered to me. 48 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:32,960 It's because... 49 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,960 It's because I think this country has become polluted, 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,960 and I think that we could all, should all, 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,960 try to do something about it, don't you? 52 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,960 You've read the pieces in The Guardian, about the hacking. 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,640 Yeah, Nick's a friend of mine. 54 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:52,640 Did you read the pieces in The New York Times, too? 55 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:53,960 I did. 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,480 And you know the work that Glen is doing at Panorama? Yeah. 57 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,960 Rupert Murdoch is trying to take control of BSkyB. 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,960 If he does that, it's a valuable organisation, 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,960 and he will leverage the value of it to accumulate the debt 60 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,000 needed to buy a huge multinational company, 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,960 perhaps Disney or Time Warner. 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,960 He'll have control of our media landscape 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,480 and a good hold of America. 64 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,320 He needs to be stopped. 65 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:23,960 I agree. 66 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,960 I will tell you my stories, and you will tell me yours. 67 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,960 And then perhaps, David... 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,960 perhaps we can work out how to help each other. 69 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,160 What do you say? 70 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,960 What do you want me to say? 71 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,960 KEYBOARD KEYS CLICK 72 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,960 MUSIC: 'Ain't That A Kick In The Head' by Dean Martin 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,960 74 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,960 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,960 "Ain't that a hole in the boat?" 76 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:04,480 Into the shark's cage. 77 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,960 I don't think they'll be providing us with cages tonight. 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,960 You're late. 79 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Who in the hell thought press awards were a good idea? 80 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,960 A narcissist, who realised it's an industry full of narcissists 81 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,960 who pay to be rewarded for the narcissism. 82 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,000 I can't be here. 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Look over there. News of the World. 84 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,640 You know, they actually have members of staff under arrest, 85 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,960 and many more being investigated - 86 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,960 the brass neck on them is ridiculous. 87 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,960 So the least I can attempt is some neck? 88 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 No. I just want you here. 89 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,960 You think we're going to win something. 90 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,960 You're mad. Everyone here hates us. 91 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:42,960 I want you here because I want us to lose with dignity together. 92 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:43,960 I've missed you. 93 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,960 I feel itchy. I hate this shirt. 94 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,960 Well, it makes you look extremely handsome. 95 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,000 Oh, well... 96 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,000 Now I have to go and play nice with some rich board members. 97 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,960 But please remember, these people, 98 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,480 they're more frightened of you than you are of them. 99 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,960 Oh, there's a difference between hate and fear. 100 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,960 101 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:11,960 Ain't love a kick in the head? 102 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,960 MC: Ladies and gentlemen, your attention, please. 103 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,960 Before our awards start this evening, 104 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,960 we have a special update from journalist Nick Davies. 105 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,960 On Wednesday the 26th of January, 106 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,960 News International passed Scotland Yard three email messages 107 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,960 which they claimed to have "only just discovered" 108 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,960 in Ian Edmondson's computer, and Ian Edmondson was sacked. 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,960 Once in receipt of these emails, 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,320 Scotland Yard announced a new inquiry, 111 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Operation Weeting, under the command of Sue Akers. 112 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,960 I dismissed Weeting as a PR move by the Met 113 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,960 until, on the 9th of February, they released a statement. 114 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,960 The new evidence recently provided by News International 115 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,000 is being considered alongside material 116 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,320 already in the Metropolitan Police Service's possession. 117 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,960 It couldn't be. 118 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,800 They weren't finally going to investigate 119 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,960 the last four years of their incompetence. 120 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,320 All actions and decisions by the previous investigation 121 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,960 are being reviewed. 122 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,800 Or were they? 123 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,960 Were we winning, finally? 124 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,160 I certainly didn't feel like a winner. 125 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,960 MC: ..showbusiness, shall we, 126 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,320 and the award for showbiz reporter of the year goes to... 127 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,480 It's Stephen Moyes, of the News of the World. 128 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,960 Congratulations, Stephen. 129 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,960 OK, and the award for news reporter of the year goes to... 130 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,480 It's the fake Sheikh, Mazher Mahmood, 131 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:44,960 from the News of the World. 132 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,160 The Scoop of the Year now. 133 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,960 The Scoop of the Year is awarded to the News of the World 134 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,960 for its excellent coverage of the cricket corruption scandal. 135 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,960 And the award goes to the News of the World. 136 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,960 To The News of the World! ECHOING 137 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,960 OK, the moment we've all been waiting for. 138 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,640 It's the big one, the Newspaper of the Year. 139 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,960 Now, the Newspaper of the Year goes to... 140 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,960 for what the judges say is a paper 141 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,160 "completely unafraid to take on the powers that be". 142 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,800 So, the newspaper of the year award goes to... 143 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:17,960 The Guardian! 144 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,320 APPLAUSE 145 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,960 KNOCK ON DOOR 146 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Jacqui Hames? Yes. 147 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Hello, my name is DS Slater, and this is DC Grossman. 148 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:44,960 Is it David? 149 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,640 David Cook? No. 150 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,320 No. Well, I suppose, erm, in a way, yes. 151 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,960 We are here investigating. 152 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,800 We're part of a new operation - Operation Weeting. 153 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,960 We're investigating allegations of phone hacking. 154 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:02,960 Do you work for John Yates? 155 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,960 No, we're part of the Special Crime Directorate, 156 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,960 under the command of Deputy Assistant Commissioner Akers. 157 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Great. Thank you. 158 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,960 You were found in the notebooks of Glenn Mulcaire. 159 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,960 This doesn't surprise me. 160 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,160 We'd like you to take a look at these details. 161 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,960 Is this your police payroll and warrant numbers? 162 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Yes. 163 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,160 How did he have these? That... 164 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,960 That's where I lived in 1977. 165 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,960 Is this where you worked in 2002? Yes. 166 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,960 And this phone number, this is...? Yeah. 167 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,960 This is correct, yeah. 168 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,960 There's information here 169 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,480 that could only have come from my police personnel file. 170 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,960 Yeah, we... That's what we think. 171 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,960 Someone within the Met sold him my information, 172 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,960 David's information? 173 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,000 It's, erm... 174 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,320 It's possible. 175 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,960 When was this known? I'm sorry? 176 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,000 When did the Metropolitan Police have this information? 177 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,960 A notebook was taken from Mulcaire in 2006. 178 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,960 2006? Yeah. 179 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 And the Met chose neither to inform me 180 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,960 nor investigate this "possible" corruption. 181 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,960 Well, that's... 182 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,960 ..that's what we're trying to do now, ma'am. 183 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:52,960 Glen Campbell. Nick Davies. 184 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,000 Hi. Honour and a privilege. 185 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,960 I hear that you're not well liked at Panorama. 186 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:02,800 I hear you're adored at The Guardian. 187 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,960 So, who do you usually meet here? 188 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,960 This where you meet criminals or politicians? 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,960 I float between cafes and pubs, like a butterfly at a festival. 190 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,960 I liked the Panorama on Alex Marunchak. 191 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,320 It wasn't one of mine. You helped, a lot. It was good. 192 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,640 You've got some particularly great hits in on Jonathan Rees. 193 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,960 I really liked your piece on him too. 194 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,960 Mr A. Very good. 195 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,320 Are you writing more? No. 196 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,960 I'm... Didn't Dave say? I'm out. 197 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,960 Coulson's gone. This is as far as I can go. 198 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,160 Don't look like that. 199 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,960 An engineered death, but something. 200 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,960 I wanted people to take it seriously. 201 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,960 They didn't. So I'm handing everything on. 202 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:43,960 I'm trying to persuade Alan to give me Belgium. 203 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,960 They gave you Newspaper of the Year. 204 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,960 That was for The Guardian, not me. I lost my category. 205 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,320 You're getting somewhere, Nick. I got somewhere. 206 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,960 Look, I know what this must have cost you. 207 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,640 Cost me isn't the half of it. 208 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,960 But no-one... no-one cared. 209 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,160 The whole industry turned away like a complicit snake. 210 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,960 What if I said I came to see you today with an agenda? 211 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,960 I'm friends with Clare Rewcastle Brown, 212 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,960 the journalist and sister-in-law of Gordon Brown. 213 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,960 He's leaning in. 214 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,960 I took Dave to see him, and he now wants to meet you. 215 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:20,960 Gordon Brown? 216 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Gordon's been looking at your work, 217 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,800 and he thinks there's a way to use it to go further. 218 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,960 Come on, Nick. What's meeting him gonna cost you? 219 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Well, it's... it's wonderful to have you all here. 220 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,960 Thank you, Clare and Glen, for organising it. 221 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,960 You know, I have such respect for the work of everyone in this room. 222 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,480 And I used to be Prime Minister. There, does that start us off? 223 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,480 Yes. THEY LAUGH 224 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,960 CLARE: Just about. 225 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,960 The Murdoch BSkyB bid would be a disaster for our country. 226 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,000 This hacking investigation needs better scrutiny 227 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,960 than people have chosen to give it. 228 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,960 If people understood, properly understood the hacking, 229 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,960 what was happening with hacking, 230 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,960 it may mean they rethink the BSkyB bid. 231 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,800 We have a shared objective. 232 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,480 How we achieve that objective is... 233 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,960 well, I increasingly believe, as does Clare 234 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,960 and Tom, would be best achieved together. 235 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,000 And perhaps everyone would like some tea? 236 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,640 And perhaps everyone would like some tea. 237 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,960 Just sit, sit. I'll pour. No, I'll pour. 238 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,960 Right. Who would like to begin? 239 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,960 Well, maybe I should speak first. 240 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,000 I was recently interrupted in an investigation room 241 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,480 and shown details of my case and Operation Weeting that were... 242 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,960 Well, the level of intrusion was troubling. 243 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,960 It's just possible that Operation Weeting 244 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,960 is the first Met op to be run properly. 245 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,960 Well, the secret is, John Yates isn't running it. 246 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,960 Good. Good. 247 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,960 So, how do we help them? Where will they struggle? 248 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,960 Well, we have to get them to include Jonathan Rees. 249 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,960 It makes no sense to tackle Mulcaire and not Rees. 250 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,480 I've got invoices to show 251 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,960 that they were both up to exactly the same activities. 252 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Prepare me a file, and I'll send it to Sue Akers. 253 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,160 Is it that simple? 254 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,960 Well, I have access to Sue through the Select Committee. 255 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,960 I can't promise results, but it's a start, no? 256 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,960 Well, Sue and I were DS's at the same time. 257 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,960 I've already asked her to expand the investigation, but... 258 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,960 It'll mean more coming from a Parliamentary perspective. 259 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,960 Good. What else? 260 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,960 You seem to all be constantly looking at me surprised. 261 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,960 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem we have 262 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,480 is that the police, politicians and press 263 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,960 are all collaborating under Murdoch's aegis. 264 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,960 We are also made up of police, politicians and press - 265 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,960 an unofficial opposition, if you like. 266 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,480 So let's talk. What do we need to do? 267 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,960 Are you...? Are you having a nice time? 268 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:02,960 Er, I'm fine. 269 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,960 You know, you're a remarkable campaigner, Nick. 270 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,960 Did you ever consider full-time politics? 271 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:08,960 Erm... 272 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Well, I don't know. I don't know... Why would you say that? 273 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,960 Perhaps a bit too suspicious of other people to be a politician. 274 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,960 Something I struggle with myself sometimes. 275 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,640 And I believe it because I've seen it, on this case. 276 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,960 You're not sure whether I mean this, are you? 277 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,960 Sorry? You don't trust me. 278 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,960 Think this is a ball that I've picked up that I will quickly drop. 279 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,960 You're saying you won't drop the ball? 280 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,640 You know, they... 281 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,960 They came at me in every way, as you might expect. 282 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,480 They blagged my lawyer. 283 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,960 They procured my family's medical information. 284 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,960 And they, erm... HE LAUGHS 285 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,960 This is quite something - they impersonated me 286 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,960 to get into my building society account. 287 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,480 That's a lot. 288 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,960 I tried to hold a judicial inquiry into phone hacking in, 289 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,960 let's see now, autumn 2009, after I read a piece of yours. 290 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,960 That was my first article. 291 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,960 The civil service resisted it, I think is the kind term. 292 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,160 "It did not meet the tests of public concern." 293 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,960 You know, everyone... 294 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,960 everyone thinks they're close to Rupert. 295 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,960 He's very adept at that. He talks quietly, you know all this. 296 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,960 He rarely disagrees, he asks questions, 297 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,960 and he makes everyone feel interesting. 298 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:29,960 It fascinates me how the powerful let him in. 299 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,960 I wasn't as good at it, at that game, as Tony. 300 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,960 When he came for me, and he did, I was unprepared, 301 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,960 whether it was how I bowed my head at the cenotaph 302 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,960 or how I wrote to the grieving mothers of dead soldiers. 303 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,320 Yes, I remember. 304 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,480 You know, I rang Rupert 305 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,960 to tell him that his papers were damaging morale in Afghanistan. 306 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,960 As Prime Minister, I was asking people to fight, 307 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,960 to risk, and he was telling them, article after article, 308 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,000 that I was casual with their lives, with soldiers' life, 309 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,960 that I didn't care, to undermine that, 310 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,960 to make those young people feel... 311 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,960 ..undervalued by their government. 312 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,480 It's just not right. 313 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,960 Sometimes, you can tell that you're the son of a preacher. 314 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,000 THEY LAUGH 315 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,960 You know he wants everything. His ambition is limitless. 316 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,960 But he's overstepped here, and badly. 317 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,960 We can, and we should, do something important to counter him. 318 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,960 But this started with you, 319 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,960 and it's going to need to end with you. 320 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,960 All of which is to say... 321 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:51,960 ..we need you, Nick. 322 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,960 Dave? Dave? Yes, sir. 323 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,640 How's life at SOCA? We're getting somewhere. 324 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,480 Did I hear you've been giving orders to GCHQ? 325 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,960 That must be fun. 326 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,960 It's a bit more complicated than that. 327 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:16,640 What can I do for you, John? 328 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,960 Would you mind popping in at mine for a minute? 329 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:19,960 Sure. 330 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,960 Internal Investigations caught an email coming from your computer 331 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,960 to Mike Sullivan at The Sun. 332 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Which email? 333 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:33,000 So, why is this a problem? 334 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,960 I said you'd rather be told it by me... 335 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,960 He was useful on Morgan. He's still useful now. 336 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,000 You've got a good relationship with him yourself, haven't you? 337 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,960 I also have one or two questions 338 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,960 about the Panorama programme that went out. Yeah. 339 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,960 I believe you're friends with Glen Campbell at Panorama. 340 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:46,960 I have been. 341 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,320 Do you think you could ask him 342 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,960 how he got footage of Jonathan Rees at his computer? 343 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,960 Well, he's quite protective of his sources. 344 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,960 Rees is convinced, as am I, 345 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,640 that the footage could only have come from inside the Met. 346 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,960 He's threatening to take action, again. 347 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,960 Did it? Come from inside the Met? 348 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,960 Is that a further press relation...? 349 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,960 The request to pass information to Mike Sullivan came from you. 350 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,960 I mean, he's your mate. 351 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,960 But there are rules, Dave, and you know that. 352 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,960 I do. 353 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,960 And how's Operation Weeting treating you, Mr Rules? 354 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:22,960 Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan, Nick Davies, or anyone fucking else, 355 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,480 anything about our cases, and you'll be strung up for all to see. 356 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Do you hear me? 357 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,960 Yeah, I hear you. 358 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,960 I've got permission to talk about it with you and you alone. 359 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:40,960 I am privileged. 360 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,960 That means private meetings, you and I, outside of editorial. 361 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Of course. When have we not had those? 362 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:48,960 Welcome back. 363 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,800 Alan, our Scottish friend, you know him better than I do. 364 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,960 We can trust him, right? I want to say two things. 365 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,960 One, you're a journalist, 366 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,960 and I am scared that getting into bed with certain politicians, 367 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,960 well, we'll lose our vital independence. 368 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,160 You do it all the time. 369 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,960 I share my bed with all political parties, 370 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,960 and I hope I'm pretty fair at sharing the covers. 371 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960 Nick, we've just removed 372 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,960 a senior member of Conservative staff, 373 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,960 and I don't want that dismissed 374 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,960 as coming from the newspaper arm of the Labour group. 375 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,960 Yeah, understood. But I asked about Gordon. 376 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960 And that's the second thing. 377 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,960 You don't go into a room with Gordon Brown 378 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,960 and get what you want. 379 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,960 You go into a room and get what he wants. 380 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,800 He's ferociously intelligent and very used to power. 381 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,960 But if your interests align, as I think they do here... 382 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,960 ..he can be a remarkable ally. 383 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,000 One last push, is it? And then I want Brussels. 384 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,800 And then you want your well-paid chocolate dream. 385 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:07,960 Of course. Good. 386 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,960 But please, Nick, take it slow. 387 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,960 To work - what have you got? 388 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,160 The flood of cases is overwhelming the courts, 389 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,960 so they've appointed a Hacking Judge. 390 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,960 He's already causing trouble. At the Andy Gray trial, 391 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,960 he said it's clear Mulcaire had been regularly hacking him. 392 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,960 So that's an invitation. 393 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Any man, woman or creature who has anything in those books 394 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960 has been given licence to sue. 395 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,160 And you'll write it up? Yeah. 396 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,800 Why do you think they gave us this? 397 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,960 Oh, for good journalism. 398 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,960 None of them support the story, our story. 399 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,960 Guilt, the world's most powerful motive. 400 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,000 I love you, darling. Yeah, love you too. 401 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,960 Dinner's in an hour. OK. 402 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,320 It's mac and cheese. 403 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,960 She's not been sleeping very well. 404 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960 I've been making her leave her phone downstairs most nights. 405 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960 I'm not sure you'll get away with that. 406 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960 I'll do my best. Also, erm... 407 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,960 I've been contacted by Operation Weeting. 408 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,960 Oh, have you? 409 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:20,960 You knew, then? 410 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,960 The things they had on me. I know. I'm sorry. 411 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:28,960 I should have warned you. Yeah. 412 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,960 Yates came after me today. And? 413 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,960 Didn't land a punch. Good. 414 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,960 They're keeping me at arm's length, 415 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,960 but they did tell me a few pieces of useful information. 416 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,960 You remember that time Surrey Police got a call fishing for my details? 417 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,480 Mm-hm. Well, Weeting told me that 418 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,960 it was probably Mulcaire who made that call. 419 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,960 Jesus Christ. 420 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,960 I don't think anyone's understood the depth of criminality here. 421 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,960 Destabilising police investigations, 422 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,960 I mean, we're talking about a murder charge being... 423 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,960 Yeah. Look who I'm telling, right? 424 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,960 Please don't laugh at me about this. I'm not. 425 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,960 I'm not. 426 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,960 You know, right at the beginning of this, I went to see Rebekah Brooks. 427 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,960 And I said, "What you're doing is outrageous." 428 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,960 And you know what she said? 429 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,960 She said, "We believed that you and Jacqui were having an affair, 430 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,800 "and as you're both public figures, public interest was on our side." 431 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960 They thought we were having an affair 432 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,320 when we were already married? Ridiculous. 433 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,960 Absurd. Cruel, I think, is a better word. 434 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,960 Yeah. 435 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,960 I have a source in the police who's been quite openly victimised. 436 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Might stop the whining celebrity angle. 437 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,960 What whining celebrity angle? 438 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:13,960 People dismissing it 439 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,640 because they think it's just celebrities whining. 440 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:17,960 Get him on the record. 441 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,960 It's just, he's been badly damaged by all this already... 442 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,960 You're Nick Davies? 443 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,640 Only on weekdays. Have we met? How can I help? 444 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,960 By telling me what the fuck 445 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,640 you think you're doing stealing my story? 446 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,960 Can we use your office? 447 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,960 Which story have I stolen? Apparently, you're Mr Hacking. 448 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,160 Every hacking story carries your byline. 449 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,960 It doesn't. 450 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,000 Today, in the paper, published. 451 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,960 You didn't write one word of it. No. 452 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,960 Well, aren't you going to apologise? No. 453 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,960 SHE SCOFFS 454 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,960 You know, The Guardian gives out all this shit 455 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,960 about what kind of world that it wants, and yet... 456 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,960 This is well written. Fuck off. 457 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960 I didn't ask for a credit on it. Whoever said I did was wrong. 458 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,960 Right, then, who do we see next? 459 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,960 Alan? It's bold, don't you think? 460 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,960 Writing a story about the hacking scandal without consulting someone 461 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,960 who's spent the last three years having his life destroyed by it? 462 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,960 Is this what works for you? 463 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,960 When you're attacked, you just attack back? 464 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,640 No. Sometimes. 465 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,960 Maybe. You could have something there. 466 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,960 This is about Operation Weeting. It's a totally different thing. 467 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,960 How come I haven't seen you round the offices before? 468 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,480 I work alone. My own hours. 469 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,960 They're supportive of it. And what have you got on Weeting? 470 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,000 A contact of mine in the force has been put on it. 471 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960 He's feeding me. Tell me everything. 472 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800 No. HE LAUGHS 473 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,960 He says it's timid. He's eager for more action. 474 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,960 What's he giving you? Each arrest as it happens. 475 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,160 Neville Thurlbeck is going to be at Kingston Police Station 476 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,960 between nine and ten, so I'm there conveniently for the arrest. 477 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,960 Can you - might you - tell your source, 478 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,960 tell him to look into the initial Select Committee hearings, 479 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960 and in particular the letter they received 480 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,640 from the News International lawyers. 481 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,320 Because there's disclosures in that the police never got the answer to. 482 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,960 WOMAN: Can someone turn it up? 483 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,160 Thanks. I will. 484 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,160 Would it be so bad, us working together? 485 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,960 You need to see this. 486 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960 REPORTER: 'Here's Ben Brazier in Wapping with more on this story.' 487 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,160 REPORTER: 'First, the denials 488 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,960 'that celebrity voicemail messages were listened to, 489 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,000 'then they claim it was down 490 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,960 'to a single rogue reporter and his private investigator sidekick.' 491 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,960 What? 492 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,960 'Now the admission, "We failed to uncover what was going on." 493 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,960 ' "We're going to apologise, and we're going to pay up." ' 494 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,960 Fuck. Absolutely right. 495 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,320 What exactly are the News of the World admitting to? 496 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,960 It's brilliant. Is it? 497 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,960 Well, by admitting they're at fault and agreeing to cooperate, 498 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,960 in fact, what they're doing is they're finding a new device 499 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,960 for concealing the truth. 500 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,960 Nick, will it be cheaper? 501 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,960 Standard-rate damages rather than 502 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,960 the million-pound hush money they've had to pay out. 503 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,960 And getting this out in court now is next to impossible, am I right? 504 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,960 Well, if you are... 505 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,960 for instance, Sienna Miller and you do take it to trial, 506 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,160 then if she ends up getting less at trial 507 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,960 than they offered her before, then she risks being ordered 508 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,960 to pay both sides' costs, which could be astronomical. 509 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,960 And so, then, yes, it makes getting to trial almost impossible. 510 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960 Shit. 511 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,960 My advice is, they've twisted one way, we must twist another. 512 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,960 I've had a reply from Sue Akers on Rees. 513 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,960 She's shutting you down? 514 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,000 She says her remit is limited to Mulcaire and the notebooks. 515 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,960 She isn't going near Rees. 516 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960 Should we try to leak something? Put pressure on that way. 517 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,320 I've got Rees specifically targeting Kate Middleton. 518 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,480 I've just heard he targeted John Yates. 519 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,960 Or we could... Do you think...? 520 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,640 If we twisted an arm or two, 521 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960 do you think we could get me up the list for PMQs? 522 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,960 Ah. That's a very good idea. I'm not following. 523 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,960 What does Sue Akers want? 524 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960 To be free to take the evidence wherever it leads her. 525 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960 With a swift prod from the left, 526 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,960 maybe the Prime Minister will extend her brief. 527 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,960 You could even name Rees. 528 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,960 Oh. Good. Good. Hang on. 529 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,800 All of this exposes Dave to scrutiny again. 530 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,640 I'm ready. Tom, can I help? 531 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,960 Please do. Good. Good. 532 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960 Let's box Cameron in. 533 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,960 As the Prime Minister has previously said, 534 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,160 the hacking inquiry should go where the evidence takes it. 535 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960 The Metropolitan Police are in possession of paperwork, 536 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960 which details the dealings 537 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,960 of criminal private investigator Jonathan Rees. 538 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960 It strongly suggests that on behalf of News International, 539 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,960 he was illegally targeting members of the Royal Family, 540 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,800 senior politicians and high-level terrorist informers. 541 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,960 Yet the head of Operation Weeting has recently written to me 542 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960 to explain that this evidence 543 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480 may be outside the inquiry's terms of reference. 544 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,960 Prime Minister, 545 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,800 I believe powerful forces are involved in a cover-up. 546 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,960 Please, please tell me what you intend to do 547 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960 to make sure that this doesn't happen. 548 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,960 DAVID CAMERON: The point I'd make to the Honourable Gentleman, 549 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960 who I know takes a close interest in this, 550 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,000 is there is a police inquiry. 551 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,960 A police inquiry doesn't need terms of reference. 552 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,160 The police are free to investigate the evidence 553 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000 and take that wherever it leads them 554 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,960 and then mount a prosecution with the CPS. 555 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960 Amelia. Hi. Saw you go in. 556 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960 Sorry, a bit weird to wait for people outside toilets. 557 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,960 Oh, I've done worse. 558 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,960 Got a minute? Sure. 559 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,960 Two inquiries are being set up. 560 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960 Operation Tuleta, looking specifically into Jonathan Rees. 561 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000 Good. Operation Elveden... 562 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960 I can never get over Scotland Yard's need for strange names. 563 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800 ..to investigate the alleged payment of bribes to police officers 564 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,960 and other officials from journalists from the News of the World. 565 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,320 What's made them do this? You didn't see Tom Watson's speech? 566 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,960 Oh, I may have done. Did you write it? 567 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,960 HE LAUGHS 568 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,960 Also, the Select Committee wading you suggested to my officer, 569 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,960 let's call him... Jingle. 570 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,000 Fine. It proved fruitful. 571 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,960 Operation Weeting forced some emails out of News International. 572 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,960 The Met discovered on their servers some systematic deletions. 573 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,160 Of course. 574 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,960 In particular, one enormous deletion in January. 575 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,960 While they were handing over those three emails from Ian Edmondson? 576 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,960 Bastards! 577 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,800 Can we print? I'm... I'm working on it. 578 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,960 Look, Jingle was grateful for the advice. 579 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,320 He said he can't volunteer information on active cases, 580 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,960 but ask him a question, he'll tell no lies. 581 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,960 HE EXHALES 582 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,960 We've had something interesting come up. 583 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,960 What is Judge Voss doing? 584 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,960 I feel like we've only seen a tiny percent of Mulcaire's note. 585 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,960 Voss is being robust with everyone. 586 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320 It's yielding fruit. Sienna Miller is being typically... 587 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,960 The Sky Andrew case feels important. Where are we...? 588 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,320 I've got something, if you're interested, 589 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960 but you will need to listen. Sorry. Go on. 590 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,960 I've been representing, as you know, Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman. 591 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960 Yeah, I read about it. You're doing brilliantly. 592 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,960 SHE CHUCKLES 593 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,960 You're like my ex - you always get complimentary 594 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,960 when you know you're in the wrong. 595 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,960 Sorry. I am sorry. 596 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,960 I heard you were a mess. 597 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,320 Oh, fine. I can see an island of sanity. 598 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,960 I'm... I'm floating close to it. Go on. 599 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,960 I went to Putney so that the Weeting officers 600 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960 could show me the notes Mulcaire had taken from Leslie Ash 601 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800 and Lee Chapman's voicemail. Yeah. 602 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:58,960 Now, some genius combined the two names 603 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480 and gave me the details of Leslie Chapman. 604 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,480 Remind me. Jessica Chapman's father. 605 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,960 Jessica Chapman was one of the murdered schoolgirls, right? 606 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,960 The Soham murders? 607 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,960 It looks like Leslie Chapman's voicemail was hacked. 608 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960 They hacked the voicemail of a grieving father? 609 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,960 I'm not sure, but it looks that way. 610 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,480 You can't use it... yet. 611 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,960 This could change everything. I need to talk to the family. 612 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,960 I need permissions. I need to be sure. 613 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960 The Chapman family, I could talk to them. 614 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,640 That's not why I'm telling you this. 615 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640 Nick, think. 616 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,960 If they're doing this to the Chapmans... 617 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960 Where else have they been? Exactly. 618 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,960 'Jessica Chapman.' 619 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,640 Oh, the Soham murders tore the police apart for a while. 620 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,960 She's sure they were into the parents' phone? 621 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,960 It's in Mulcaire's notebooks. But I can't get in there. 622 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,960 I've got to find another way in. You will. 623 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,000 I envy your confidence. No, I'm just... 624 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,960 HIGH-PITCHED TONE INTERNALLY 625 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,960 I'm just happy to have you back. 626 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000 I thought that was better. Sometimes. 627 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,160 It comes and goes. 628 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,960 Are you just frying that cheese? 629 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,960 It's halloumi cheese. You'll like it. 630 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960 I'm not hungry any more. What? 631 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960 No, I just don't get it. I mean... 632 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 I eat when I know that I have to eat. 633 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960 I just don't get hungry any more. 634 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,960 Don't. What? 635 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,960 With that sympathy look. I'm not being sympathetic. 636 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800 Don't try and pretend you're in any better state than me. 637 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,960 I've seen you, mate - you are this close 638 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,960 to total collapse, I'm telling you. 639 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960 You know the story of the dung beetle? 640 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960 Oh, God. Have I stooped that low? 641 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960 What? It's what you trot out. 642 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,960 You trot out that story quite a lot, you know. 643 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000 Ask your kids. Christ, pity your kids. 644 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960 Whatever's going on... "Have you heard of the dung beetle?" 645 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:00,960 An aggressive response. 646 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,960 HE LAUGHS Come on. 647 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960 That'll make you hungry. Thank you. 648 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,960 You want to know how I do it? Hmm. 649 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,480 I focus on the details. Always the next detail. 650 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,960 I've been phobic of blood ever since a body exploded on me. 651 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,960 A body exploded on you? Yeah, an older man full of hernias. 652 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,960 Normally, when a pathologist scalpel enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss. 653 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,960 Well, this time, he exploded. 654 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,960 Blood was everywhere. I was covered in it. 655 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,960 But I was in homicides, 656 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960 so going to pathology is a key part of my job, right? 657 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960 So I focused on the details. 658 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,960 Ears, toes. 659 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,960 Even how the wound looked. 660 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,480 The blood, I made disappear. 661 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,960 So how do you do it, Nick? 662 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,960 KEYBOARD KEYS CLICK 663 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,320 Tell me I'm mad. 664 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,960 With pleasure. I was in the database. 665 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,960 News of the World, April 14th, 2002. 666 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960 250 words long, page nine. 667 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960 It claims that voicemail messages 668 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,960 were sent to Milly's phone after she disappeared. 669 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,160 Milly Dowler. 670 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,960 "Police say voicemails were left by a mentally disturbed woman 671 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,480 "who has hoaxed previous inquiries." 672 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960 It even quotes what the message said. 673 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,160 "Hello. We're ringing because we have some interviews starting. 674 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960 "Can you call me back? Thank you. Bye-bye." 675 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,960 This is six days after Milly had disappeared. 676 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,960 Final edition of the paper. 677 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,480 That reference was removed. 678 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,800 Because they might have realised what a boo-boo they had made. 679 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160 Charlotte has evidence that they hacked 680 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,160 Jessica Chapman's father on the Soham case. 681 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,960 We can't get close to that, that was the family, 682 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,000 but this is the girl herself. 683 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,960 Rebekah was editor then. 684 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960 This was under her aegis. 685 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,960 C-Can you confirm this? I think so. 686 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,960 Is this as big as I think it is? 687 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,960 Yes, it is. 688 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,960 Make sure it stands up. 689 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,960 NICK: Yeah, hi. Any fruit? 690 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,960 AMELIA: 'Jingle says they've been investigating.' 691 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,960 Is that confirmation? 692 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,960 Are they confirming that it happened? 693 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960 'Yes. There is a page on Dowler in Mulcaire's notebooks.' 694 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,960 Right, we need to be absolutely watertight. 695 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960 'Nick, he also says they're pursuing a line of inquiry 696 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,960 'they deleted messages because the voice mailbox was full.' 697 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,960 They deleted messages? 698 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,480 'I'll get us a firm anonymous quote from Jingle.' 699 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960 OK, thanks, Amelia. Yeah, bye-bye. 'Bye.' 700 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,960 I have a source from inside Weeting, I've got the article. Glen. 701 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960 I've got a good source saying Surrey Police knew about it 702 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,960 and the Dowler family did not. 703 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960 Well, this is it. This is it. 704 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960 I don't want to believe, but I do. 705 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,960 The source is clear. Stuart Kuttner... 706 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,960 Remember him? ..even called Surrey Police. 707 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,800 He didn't just hear the voicemail. He followed up on it. 708 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960 They even think they deleted her answerphone messages 709 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,960 to allow space for messages to be given, 710 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960 which made the family think she was still alive. 711 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960 Oh, God. 712 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,960 Do you know, if we can land this, this changes everything. 713 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,000 How? A child? A dead child's phone? 714 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,960 It's despicable. 715 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,960 You know, part of the British public think that celebrities, politicians, 716 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,960 journalists, even, deserve everything that they get, 717 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,960 but when an innocent is harmed, an innocent already wronged, 718 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,000 trust me, the News of the World will not be forgiven for this. 719 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960 PHONE BUZZES 720 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,320 VOICEMAIL: 'Hi, this is Dave. Leave a message.' 721 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,960 David, I've been offered to go on to Channel 4. 722 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960 I don't have a career to protect, and I think I should do it. 723 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,320 If you have a problem with any of this, 724 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,480 could you just call me or text me, please? 725 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,960 Thank you. 726 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,960 DOORBELL RINGS 727 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,960 DOOR OPENS Mrs Dowler? 728 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,960 My name is Nick Davies. I know. 729 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960 They said you'd be coming by. 730 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,640 I've just been watching you on YouTube. 731 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960 Come on. Come in. Thank you. 732 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,640 Thank you. 733 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,960 So the police are keeping you...? Up to date with it all, yes. 734 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,960 Operation Weeting, a good team, it seems. 735 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,960 They say it was true. 736 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,960 Our daughter was hacked. 737 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,480 Yes. 738 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,160 Can you tell us why? 739 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,960 Why? Sorry? 740 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,960 What we don't understand is why someone would do this. 741 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,320 You're a journalist. Can you explain? 742 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,960 I think they thought there was a good story in it. 743 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960 A good story? 744 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,960 They wanted to... either to find her, 745 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,640 or to find something printable about her. 746 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,960 So the phone promised all those things. 747 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,960 But we'd only just lost her - didn't they know it was wrong? 748 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,320 I think they didn't consider that. 749 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,960 Didn't they know it would hurt us? 750 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,960 Milly... 751 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,960 At that time, Milly was the most famous person in the UK, 752 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,960 and everyone wanted to read about her. 753 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960 And, I'm afraid, they needed to sell their newspaper. 754 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,960 And now you're here. 755 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,960 Someone else selling a newspaper. I am. 756 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,960 Yes, but I'm hoping what we are doing... 757 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,480 ..will help expose a wrong that was done to your daughter. 758 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,960 However, yes, I... we are selling newspapers, 759 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,000 and I know that all this will be bringing her 760 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,960 back into the spotlight again, 761 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,960 and I know... That that's painful? 762 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960 Just slightly. Yeah. 763 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960 But you should do it all the same. 764 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,960 You have our permission, Nick - if you needed it, that is. 765 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,960 Thank you. 766 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,960 Always can never get used to microphones being poked everywhere. 767 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,960 SHE SCOFFS I'm used to it, for Crimewatch. 768 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,960 Of course. Of course you are. MOBILE BUZZES 769 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,960 More used to it than me. No. 770 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,960 Do you want to share the byline with Amelia? 771 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960 Her source helped confirm it. 772 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,960 It needs something clearer. 773 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,960 News of the World targeted... Illegally targeted. 774 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,000 Good. Illegally targeted the missing schoolgirl Milly Dowler 775 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,960 and her family, in dates... Yup. 776 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,960 ..interfering with the police investigation into... 777 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,960 No, interfering with police inquiries 778 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,960 into her disappearance and deleted messages. 779 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,480 Then what the family believed - 780 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,480 she's alive, the lie of that. 781 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960 Do we have a source and a secondary source? 782 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,960 Yes, we do. Have we spoken to Scotland Yard? 783 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,480 Of course. I even asked for a quote. 784 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,960 This is... quite something. 785 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,960 TV: 'Channel 4 News can tonight reveal 786 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,960 'that allegations have been aired that a Metropolitan Police detective 787 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,960 'was put under surveillance by the News of the World journalists 788 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,160 'and his personal details were targeted. 789 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,960 'The former Crimewatch presenter and Detective Jacqui Hames 790 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960 'has spoken out for the first time.' 791 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,960 So, Jacqui, you were approached by Operation Weeting. 792 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,960 What did they show you? 793 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,960 They showed me various sheets of paper, 794 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,960 which I was told came from Glenn Mulcaire's diaries and notes 795 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,160 and sat there and read 796 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,960 the extent to which he had delved into my private life, 797 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960 and it was quite a body blow. 798 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,960 I want to know who instigated the surveillance 799 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,960 and the research that was done on us. 800 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,480 I would like to know how they got and who they got 801 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,960 that personal information from about us. 802 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,320 'I would like to know what the purpose of it was from them.' 803 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,960 'Do you think there was an attempt, here, to interfere 804 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,960 'with your ex-husband's criminal investigation, 805 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960 'and if so, what... where's the evidence for that?' 806 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960 'It's very difficult when you look at the...' 807 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,960 SHE CLEARS THROAT 808 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,960 '..the order in which things happened, the chronology of this.' 809 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,960 Not to at least want to shine a light on it, and say, you know, 810 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,960 how is it that the day after that appeal went out on Crimewatch, 811 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,640 that this started to happen. 812 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,960 And it's very difficult not to come to that conclusion 813 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,960 that they were somehow complicit in all this, 814 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,960 or somebody within the organisation was. 815 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,960 Complicit in what, exactly? 816 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,960 'In trying to discredit David, or myself.' 817 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,960 BUZZING 818 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,960 Of course, they didn't print it. 819 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,960 And so it finally begins. 820 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,960 More revelations... 821 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,960 The pressure on News of the World grows. 822 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,160 Another day of dramatic development. Shocking story. 823 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,960 REPORTER: It is alleged Glenn Mulcaire... 824 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,960 ..hacked into the mobile phone 825 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,960 of the murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler. 826 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,960 Well, this poor girl's dead, and they're trying to get stories. 827 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,960 REPORTER: There is a new allegation that the tabloid may have hacked 828 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,960 into the phones of the relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq. 829 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,960 If these actions are proved to have been verified, 830 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,960 I'm appalled and find it quite disgusting. 831 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960 Tonight, Chief Executive Rebekah Brooks says, 832 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960 we're told, that she's shocked, and that she knew nothing about it. 833 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960 REPORTER: Today is the anniversary of 7/7. 834 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,000 REPORTER: Relatives of victims of the London bombings 835 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,960 may also have had their phones hacked into. 836 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,800 Somebody was listening to that. It's a violation, isn't it? 837 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,960 An extraordinary moment in British journalism. 838 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,960 REPORTER: The News of the World is to close. 839 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,960 What happened, happened very, very quickly. 840 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960 It's like a bomb's hit the place. 841 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,640 Those decent people up there have been thrown out of a job. 842 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960 REPORTER: The sense that everyone gets is that Rupert Murdoch 843 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,960 is getting rid of News of the World 844 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,640 in order to protect taking over BSkyB. 845 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,960 I'm interested in those who were responsible 846 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,960 being brought to justice. 847 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,960 Scotland Yard confirmed today that it had received documents 848 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,960 suggesting a number of its officers 849 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960 were given inappropriate payments by News International. 850 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,960 Paying police for information is a criminal offence. 851 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,960 It's corrupt, it's bribery. 852 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,000 REPORTER: David Cameron's former head of communications 853 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,960 is arrested over corruption and phone hacking. 854 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,160 The decision to hire him was mine, and I take full responsibility. 855 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,320 There's an awful lot I'd like to say, but I can't. 856 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,960 REPORTER: The pressure is mounting on Rebekah Brooks. 857 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,960 Both her and James Murdoch should be leaving their desks. 858 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,960 REPORTER: The Prime Minister has announced details 859 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,640 of the independent public inquiry led by Lord Justice Leveson... 860 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,960 ..who will have the power to summon and question... 861 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,960 ..newspaper proprietors, journalists, police and politicians. 862 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960 I recognise the vital importance 863 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,640 of reaching a number of conclusions, and I will strive to do so. 864 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,320 Rebekah Brooks, who finally bowed to pressure and resigned. 865 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,640 REPORTER: For the past ten days, 866 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,960 she's been at the heart of the storm. 867 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,960 Now she has decided to step away. 868 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,960 REPORTER: Assistant Commissioner John Yates has also quit. 869 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,960 It is with great regret that I make this decision. 870 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,960 The mighty Murdoch empire 871 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,960 has suffered its most humiliating blow yet, 872 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,480 as it suddenly dropped its bid to take control of BSkyB. 873 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,960 REPORTER ON TV: 'Murdoch has abandoned 874 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,480 'his bid for BSkyB, but will he face wider consequences 875 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,960 'in relation to the phone hacking scandal? 876 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,960 'What will come next in this shocking saga?' 877 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,960 MAN: And I heard, as it were, the noise of thunder... 878 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,960 ..one of the four beasts saying, "Come and see." 879 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,960 And I saw, and behold, 880 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,160 a white horse. 881 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,640 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com